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THINK THE TIME IS UPON US.PARDON? I SAID I THINK THE TIME IS UPON US.
[Clarendon County Aeronautics Commission on May 27, 2026.]
TO CALL, UH, OUR AERONAUTICAL COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER.AND, UM, ON TONIGHT, I'LL, I'LL BE GIVEN OUR INVOCATION AND THEN OUR VICE CHAIR, STEVE ZALAR, WILL LEAD US INTO PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
AND, UM, SO AFTER THE INVOCATION, WE'LL STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND, UM, AND MOVE ON FROM THAT.
UM, THE, THE LIVE STREAM, CAN Y'ALL TELL US HOW PEOPLE WOULD FIND THAT TO LIVE STREAM THAT? CAN YOU GIVE US SOME GUIDANCE ON THAT BEFORE WE GET STARTED? AND IS IT, IT'S BEING RECORDED TONIGHT, IS THAT CORRECT? IT, IT'S BEING, IT IS BEING RECORDED TONIGHT.
UM, IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM THE LAST TIME WITH SOME CONTRACTUAL ISSUES.
I DON'T HAVE THE PERSON SITTING IN SOME FAR OFF LAND RIGHT.
POINTING AT EACH BY EVERYBODY.
SO IT'S A SINGLE SHOT, AND IT'LL COVER JUST TO YOUR LEFT AND JUST TO YOUR RIGHT.
SO I'M ACTUALLY NOT ON CAMERA AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS IT SHOULD BE ACCESSIBLE ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA PUT IT UP UNDER THE AERONAUTICS COMMISSION PORTION.
AM I CORRECT? WELL, ALL MY IT PEOPLE JUST LEFT, SIR.
SO IS, IS IT, IS IT LIVE STREAM WHERE SOMEONE COULD BE AT HOME THIS EVENING AND WATCH IT? YES.
IT SHOULD BE BEING LIVE STREAMED RIGHT NOW AS WELL.
HOW, HOW WOULD THEY FIND THAT? GUESS THAT'S, I THINK IT'S ON THE COUNTY'S FACEBOOK PAGE IS WHERE YOU HAVE TO GO TO SEE THE LIVE STREAM AND STUFF.
THE DANCE PARTY SHALL COMMENCE.
IT'S ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE UNDER COUNCILS AND VIDEOS.
I KNOW THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN FIND THE VIDEO, BUT I'M TRYING TO GET INSTRUCTION.
I'VE BEEN ASKED HOW SOMEONE COULD SEE IT LIVE STREAMED AND THAT, THAT'S MY QUESTION.
THAT WAS, THIS IS AVAILABLE AS TERRY FACEBOOK PAGE? YES, MA'AM.
ANY, ANYTHING TO SPEAK TO THAT AS FAR AS THE COUNT? IT'S, IT'S THE, IN THE SAME SPOT AS THEY WOULD GO TO WATCH COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING.
AND THAT WOULD GIVE THEM THE LIVE STREAM.
WELL, LET'S GO TO LORD AND PRAYER AND, UM, AND GET UNDERWAY.
LORD, WE GIVE YOU THANKS FOR THIS DAY.
WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THE RAIN AND THE MOISTURE THAT YOU PUT ON US.
WE'RE GRATEFUL WHEN IT'S DRY FOR THOSE THAT NEED DRY.
LORD, WE ASK THAT YOU BE WITH US TONIGHT.
PUT YOUR GRACE UPON ALL OF US.
LET US ACT WITH WISDOM IN SUCH A WAY THAT'S PLEASING TO YOU, THAT WE MIGHT ACT WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST FOR ALL THE PEOPLE OF OUR COUNTY AND REGION AND COUNTRY.
AND LORD, WE GIVE YOU THANKS AS WE FOLLOW UP THIS MEMORIAL DAY, THAT WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR ALL THOSE THAT ALLOW US TO LIVE IN FREEDOM AND ALL GOD'S PEOPLE SET.
AS ABEL, STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDERGONE INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
UM, THE, UH, NEXT LINE ON OUR AGENDA.
EVERYONE'S BEEN GIVEN A, UM, GIVEN AN AGENDA, AND SO WE NEED TO, NEED TO GET AN APPROVAL OF OUR AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I'M SORRY I DIDN'T, ANY DISCUSSION FOR THE APPROVAL OF OUR AGENDA? NO.
SO CAN WE GET A MOTION FOR AN APPROVAL? I SECOND.
UM, MS. WILLIAMS PROVIDED US WITH THE MINUTES OF OUR PRIOR MEETING AND, UM, I BELIEVE THEY WERE SENT TO EVERYBODY.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OF OUR PRIOR MEETING MINUTES AS THEY WERE PRESENTED? NOTHING.
ANYONE? UM, ARE YOU GONNA BE IN CHARGE OF THE MINUTES AGAIN FOR THIS EVENING? OKAY.
WE NEED TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION NOW THAT WE HAVE A, A BOARD FORMED, AND THAT IS YOU GUYS ARE WORKING.
Y'ALL NEED TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT UNDERSTOOD.
WHO'S GONNA DO THE MINUTES? SO, RIGHT.
UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE CARE OF THIS EVENINGS, UM, FROM THE RECORDING AND, AND PRESENT MINUTES.
AND WE'LL HAVE THAT SET FOR YEAH.
I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT, THAT CLARITY.
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MR. MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, JUST ONE POINT THAT MAY HELP, UM, IF YOU, IF WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND WE HAVE, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND, IT'S VERY HELPFUL IF YOU WILL SAY, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SO-AND-SO AND A SECOND BY, BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T TELL UNDERSTOOD.YOU KNOW, WHO'S, WHO'S ACTUALLY DOING IT.
UM, DO WE NEED TO GO BACK OVER ANY OF THOSE PREVIOUS MOTIONS TONIGHT? NO, I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
UM, SO CAN WE GET A MOTION FOR OUR PREVIOUS MEETING MINUTES? MOVE FOR APPROVAL.
APPROVAL BY FIRST BY KIPP PRATT, SECOND BY RUSS APPLETON.
UM, PRIOR TO THIS MEETING, UM, ON A FEW CORRESPONDENCE I SENT OUT WHAT WE HAVE BEEN BEGUN WORKING UP AS A DRAFT FOR OUR BYLAWS TO GOVERN THE COMMISSION.
UM, I PRESENTED THEM LATE THIS AFTERNOON, AGAIN, WITH, WITH ONE ADDENDUM TO 'EM.
UM, I JUST PRESENTED SIMPLY AT THIS TIME AS INFORMATION AS A PLATFORM TO BEGIN WORKING OFF OF.
AND, UM, PERHAPS BY OUR NEXT MEETING WE CAN HAVE THAT WORKED OUT AND, UM, AND WORK IN THAT REGARD.
UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? I, I REALLY JUST WANTED IT AS INFORMATION TONIGHT.
I DIDN'T WANT TO GET IN THE WEEDS ON THAT OTHER THAN JUST TO MAKE IT BE OPEN IN PUBLIC FORUM THAT, THAT WE ARE WORKING IN THAT DIRECTION AND REGARD AND, AND TO GET THAT DONE.
ANYTHING FROM ANYONE ON THAT? UM, WE HAVE US WITH US TONIGHT, UM, MR. KEN HOLT AND MR. RYAN HEL.
UM, OF HOLT CONSULTANTS, THEY ARE THE, THE CONSULTANTS OF RECORD FOR THE COUNTY, UH, IN REGARDS TO THE AIRPORT, I BELIEVE.
AND, UM, I BELIEVE THEY'RE GONNA PRESENT SOME INFORMATION TO US TONIGHT.
MR. CHAIRMAN? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, AS YOU SAID, MY NAME IS KEN HOLT AND MY COLLEAGUE HERE IS RYAN HOWELL.
UH, RYAN IS YOUR ENGINEER OF RECORD AND I'M YOUR PRINCIPAL IN CHARGE FOR OUR FIRM.
UH, A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON OURSELVES, UM, I GRADUATED FROM THE CITADEL.
I'M, OR I'M ORIGINALLY FROM SUMTER.
AND, UH, I WENT INTO THIS BUSINESS IN 1986 AND BEEN IN IT EVER SINCE.
UH, STARTED WITH A FIRM IN COLUMBIA, RIGHT STRAIGHT OUT OF SCHOOL, UM, THAT IS, HAS BEEN ACQUIRED.
AND, UH, AS OF 2013, UH, MY BUSINESS PARTNER AND I, HIS NAME IS PAUL HOLT.
WE'VE WORKED TOGETHER OUR ENTIRE CAREERS.
UH, WE'RE NOT RELATED, BUT, UH, WE STARTED OUR OWN COMPANY.
UM, AND SINCE THEN WE'VE BEEN VERY BLESSED, UH, TO HAVE CLIENTS LIKE IRON COUNTY AND OTHERS.
UM, WE ACTUALLY ARE UNDER CONTRACT TO SERVE, UM, THIRD, UH, 18 AIRPORTS IN SOUTH CAROLINA.
SO WHAT WE SPECIALIZE IN IS NOT ONLY AVIATION, BUT ROADS AND BRIDGES.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE BASICALLY A, UH, TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE FIRM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE SPECIALIZE IN, AIRPORTS, ROADS, AND BRIDGES.
UM, AS FAR AS, UH, THE AIRPORTS ARE CONCERNED, I'VE, I'VE WORKED BOTH ROADS AND BRIDGES AND AIRPORTS, BUT MOSTLY AIRPORTS AND, UH, AND WHAT WE DO BEST ARE HELP, UH, COUNTIES AND OWNERS OF AIRPORTS, UH, WITH THEIR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
AND THAT IS, UH, THAT'S REALLY WHAT OUR ROLE IS TO SUPPORT THE COUNTY AND TO BE EFFECTIVE IN DOING THAT.
WHAT WE'VE LEARNED YEARS AGO IS WE CAN DO IT BY OURSELVES.
IT NEEDS TO BE A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT.
SO EVERYTHING THAT'S PLANNED AND DESIGNED, UH, INVOLVES THE FAA, THE SOUTH CAROLINA AERONAUTICS COMMISSION, THE COUNTY AND US.
AND SO THE FOUR OF US, UH, AFTER WE HAVE OUR DISCUSSIONS AND MAKE A DECISION, WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
AND THAT'S THE WAY, THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS BEST, UH, BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY HAS A STAKE UNIT, FINANCIAL STAKE ON ALL THESE PROJECTS, SO DOES THE STATE AND THE FAA.
SO THAT'S MY BACKGROUND AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR COMPANY.
AND, UM, RYAN, WHY DON'T YOU TELL 'EM A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOURSELF? YEAH, CERTAINLY.
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ALSO A CITADEL GRADUATE, GRADUATED IN 2007.UM, I'VE BEEN IN THE AIRPORT SIDE OF THINGS FOR, UH, ALL OF MY CAREER.
UM, STARTED, UH, WHILE I WAS AT THE CITADEL, TOOK, UH, FLIGHT LESSONS AND WAS ABLE TO BECOME A PRIVATE PILOT, GET MY INSTRUMENT RATING, AND THEN, UM, HAVE WORKED ON THE ENGINEERING SIDE OF THINGS, AS I MENTIONED SINCE GRADUATION.
SO, UH, WAS PART OF THE COMPANY, UH, FORMER COMPANY KEN WAS WITH AS WELL.
AND, UM, HAVE BEEN IN SOUTH CAROLINA WITH HOPE CONSULTING GOING ON ABOUT 12 YEARS NOW.
SO WE, UM, WE'RE NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT INFORMATION THAT Y'ALL WOULD LIKE FOR US TO PRESENT.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE BROUGHT SOME INFORMATION WITH US AND THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN'T ANSWER, BUT WE HAVE THE ANSWERS BACK AT THE OFFICE IN OUR FILES.
SO WHAT WE THOUGHT WE'D DO IS JUST TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE, AND DO OUR BEST TO ANSWER 'EM.
CAN I START, UM, UH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE, UM, CHANGE IN THE TAXIWAY FROM THE 25 FOOT TO 20 FEET.
UM, WHAT WAS THE R RATIONALE OF THAT? AND, AND WERE YOU, ARE YOU AWARE OF THE AIRCRAFT THAT ARE HOUSED AT MANNY? UM, AS FAR AS THE CLASS OF AIRCRAFT, WAIT.
SO DURING THE DESIGN PROCESS, UM, THAT IS SOMETHING WE REVIEWED AND DISCUSSED WITH THE FA.
UM, AS KEN MENTIONED, A LOT OF THE DESIGN IS BASED OFF OF THE, UH, THE FA CALLS 'EM ADVISORY CIRCULARS.
SO THEY HAVE A SPECIFIC CRITERIA.
UM, YOU'RE REFERRING TO 1 50, 5300.
UM, SO THAT'S THE, UH, DESIGN, THE DESIGN, UH, AC FOR, UH, MOST OF THE STUFF RELATED TO AN AIRPORT.
UM, SO OVER TIME THE STANDARDS CHANGE WITHIN THE FA UM, YOU'VE PROBABLY NOTICED, HOPEFULLY YOU CAN HEAR ME.
YOU'VE PROBABLY NOTICED AT OTHER AIRPORTS THAT, UM, THE SWEEPING RADIUS TURNS HAVE HAS CHANGED AND IT'S MORE OF AN ANGLE, MORE OF AN ANGLE RIGHT.
SO THAT'S BECOME THE STANDARD.
UM, SO AS CRITERIA CHANGES, UM, SO DOES THE, UH, THE GEOMETRY.
SO WHAT THE FAA CURRENTLY HAS FOR, UM, A, UH, THERE'S DIFFERENT GROUPS CATEGORIES OF, UM, TAXIWAYS AND RUNWAYS.
UM, BUT WHAT THEY HAVE FOR A GROUP ONE TAXIWAY WAS, UM, 25 FEET.
SO 30 FEET IS NOT A, UH, A STANDARD ANYMORE.
IT MAY HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY, UM, BUT THE NEXT STEP UP WOULD BE 35 FEET.
SO, UH, EXCUSE ME FOR YES, SIR, INTERRUPT.
UM, SO I AM, I DO HAVE A BACKGROUND AS A, A PREVIOUS, UH, FLIGHT INSPECTOR.
UH, AND, UM, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THESE REGULATIONS HAVE CHANGED SOMEWHAT, BUT, UH, JUST FOR AS A RECORD, THERE'S A KING AIR 200 THAT IS HOUSED AND OPERATES OUTTA MANNING, WHICH IS A CLASS TWO AIRCRAFT, UH, WHICH, UM, DOES ACCORDING TO 15 OR 1 50, 5300 REQUIRE A 3,500 FOOT, 35 FOOT TAXIWAY.
UH, AND, UM, I OPERATE THAT AIRPLANE ON THAT 20 FOOT TAXIWAY, AND IT'S TRUCK DISTANCE IS 18 FEET.
SO IT'S CONCERN OF MINE, I'M NOT TRYING TO PICK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT, THAT 25 FOOT IS, WAS REDUCED TO 20 FEET WITH NO, UH, NO SHOULDER.
UH, AND IT'S, UM, IT'S HONESTLY A SAFETY CONCERN IN MY MIND.
AND I'M JUST, I I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS WAS DONE AND APPROVED.
SO, UM, AGAIN, THROUGH SOME OF THE DESIGN PROCESS, WE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FA UH, A LOT OF TIMES FOR THE GEOMETRY OF THE AIRPORTS, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY, UM, YOU GO OFF OF THE AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN.
AND SOMETIMES THE CRITICAL AIRCRAFT LISTED IN A LP IS NOT NECESSARILY THE, THE, THE BIGGEST AIRCRAFT THAT WOULD EVER OPERATE.
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BASED ON, UM, A CERTAIN NUMBER OF DEPARTURES.UM, SO THEY, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING THERE IS THEY CAN'T, A LOT OF TIMES THEY WOULDN'T SUPPORT DESIGNING BASED OFF OF THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.
NO, I, I UNDERSTAND YOU DON'T BUILD IT FOR A 7 47.
BUT I WOULD THINK THAT, UH, COMMERCIAL AIRCRAFT OF A KING AIR THAT'S HOUSED AT, AT MANNING, THAT PROBABLY OPERATES IN AND OUT MORE THAN ANY OTHER AIRCRAFT WOULD BE, UH, CONSIDERED.
UM, UH, DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY INFORMATION, UM, REGARDING, UH, UM, PLANS OF A SECOND RUNWAY CURRENTLY? NO, SIR.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST BASED ON THE LATEST A LP, WHICH ONLY SHOWS THE, UH, SINGLE RUNWAY, THE PRIMARY, UM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE, UH, FORMER, UH, CROSSWIND RUNWAY, CORRECT.
THAT WAS ON THE A LP? CORRECT.
UM, UH, I BELIEVE I, I BELIEVE THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT DESIGNS.
UH, UM, ONE, ALL, ALL OF THEM VERY SIMILAR, BUT, BUT FOR MANY YEARS THERE'S BEEN A MASTER PLAN THAT I'VE SEEN FROM TIME TO TIME THAT, THAT HAD THAT OTHER, OTHER RUNWAY, UH, QUOTE UNQUOTE PENCILED IN FOR FUTURE GROWTH.
THE, FROM THE HISTORY THAT I KNOW ABOUT THAT RUNWAY IS THAT, UM, UH, THERE'S A GENTLEMAN WITH THE FAA, HE USED TO BE WITH THE ATLANTA AIRPORTS DISTRICT OFFICE, AND HE'S NOW WITH SOUTHERN REGION.
NOW, HE MAY NOT REMEMBER THIS, BUT BECAUSE AT WHAT MY MEMORY IS TELLING ME IS THAT HE CAME HERE FOR A SITE VISIT AND THEY LOOKED AT THE A LP, AND HE BASICALLY, UH, TOLD THE COUNTY THAT THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN, BE BECAUSE OF FUNDING, BECAUSE OF DESIGN RESTRICTIONS.
PROBABLY A COMBINATION OF FUNDING AND JUSTIFICATION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT TIMEFRAME THAT WAS, MR. CHAIRMAN? I DON'T, AND THIS WAS JUST HEARSAY.
THIS IS WHAT WAS TOLD TO ME, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THOUGHT OF 20 YEARS AGO MIGHT BE THOUGHT OF DIFFERENTLY TODAY, PERHAPS, PERHAPS, PERHAPS.
SO TO MR. ZELLER'S POINT, I'M, I'M, I WAS A, A LITTLE CURIOSITY ABOUT DID WE NOT LOOK AT WHAT'S HERE? SO THAT AS THE CONSULTANTS MIGHT SAY, THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE, THIS IS WHAT'S OPERATING IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY, THIS MIGHT BE A WAY TO PROCEED.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE, WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT IS PRESENTED NOW THAT WE RECENTLY RECEIVED, THE PORTION THAT THE COUNTY PAYS IN THE BIG SCHEME OF THINGS IS MINUSCULE.
AND SO I'M JUST CURIOUS, DID WE NOT EVER CONSIDER WHAT'S HERE? MUCH LESS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ATTRACT, BUT WHAT'S HERE TODAY? THAT WOULD BE ONE OF MY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TAXIWAY.
ALSO, WHAT CLASS OF AIRPLANE DID THEY CONSIDER WHEN THEY DECIDED TO NARROW IT? BECAUSE THE COMPANY I WORK FOR ALSO HAS SETS THE CITATIONS, WHICH ARE FULLY CAPABLE OF LANDING AT THE AIRPORT SAFELY, AND THEIR GEAR IS EVEN WIDER THAN THE KING AIRS.
SO WHAT WE'VE GOT A SCENARIO HERE IS THAT YOU, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A TAXI INCIDENT BECAUSE SOMEBODY DECIDED THAT WE DIDN'T NEED IT.
I MEAN, IF, IF, HOW DID THE FAA 'CAUSE, 'CAUSE YOU SAID THAT THE FAA WAS THE ONE THAT SAID YOU DIDN'T NEED IT.
HOW DID THEY DEC DISCERN WHO WAS GONNA LAND HERE IN THE FUTURE? OR, OR WHAT CLASS OF AIRPLANE? EITHER, EITHER ONE OF YOU, WHAT CLASS OF AIRPLANE IS CAPABLE OF USING THE AIRPORT CURRENTLY AND, AND WHAT CLASS OF AIRPORT AIRPLANE WOULD BE CONSIDERED IN THE FUTURE BASED ON ITS CURRENT SITUATION? BASED ON ITS CURRENT LENGTH? SO YOU'RE JUST SPEAKING ABOUT THE TAXIWAY? YES.
UM, SIR, WE, WE REALIZE WE CAN'T UNDO YESTERDAY.
WE DON'T, WE JUST DON'T WANNA MAKE MORE MISTAKES GOING FORWARD.
SO THE, WHAT WE COULD DO, UM, IS LOOK BACK THROUGH OUR EMAILS WITH THE FAA ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE AND SEE WHAT WE CAN FIND.
I, I BELIEVE WHAT I HAD SEEN, UH, UH, I CAN'T SPEAK OF WHERE IT BECAME,
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BUT WAS, UH, CLASS ONE A AND ONE B, AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND OF THE AC, IS THAT THE STANDARD IS 25 FEET, AND IT CAN, THAT, THAT CAN BE REDUCED TO 20 FEET.AND THAT'S WHAT IT WAS BUILT AT, AT 20 FEET.
AND IT REQUIRED THAT, UH, FIVE FOOT OF THE TAXIWAY WAS REMOVED.
IT WAS 25 OR 30 FEET TO BEGIN WITH.
30 FEET WAS WHAT WAS THERE, 30 FEET WAS WHAT WAS THERE, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
AND 25 WAS WHAT WAS INSTALLED.
AND, UM, I, I THINK TO, TO ADD TO THAT, WE DO, WE GO OFF OF THE STANDARD, BUT WE DID DO SOME, UM, ANALYSIS WITH AIRCRAFT, PARTICULARLY IN THE TURNING MOVEMENTS, UHHUH,
BUT THERE'S, PARTICULARLY IN THE TURNS, WHICH IS, UM, WHAT WE OFTEN SEE IS MORE CRITICAL FOR, FOR THE LARGER AIRCRAFT, UM, THERE IS MORE PAYMENT THAN WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THERE.
SO WE DID, EVEN IF IT'S A LARGER AIRCRAFT, THAT MAY BE, UM, IF THE TAXIWAY WAS A, UM, DESIGN GROUP, ONE, IT WAS DESIGN GROUP ONE B, IF THERE IS A LARGER AIRCRAFT, WE DO RUN IT WITH THAT TRACKING SOFTWARE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ADEQUATE ROOM.
UM, SO THAT WAS, THAT REVIEW WAS COMPLETED WITH, UM, UH, WITH I THINK A COUPLE DIFFERENT AIRCRAFT, INCLUDING A CITATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY COULD TURN.
UM, I KNOW IT'S NOT THE STANDARD MAYBE FOR SOME OF THOSE LARGER AIRCRAFT LIKE A CITATION, BUT WE DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY COULD STILL OPERATE.
SO WHEN, WHEN YOU HAVE AN EXISTING TAXIWAY AND, AND YOU REDUCE THE WIDTH, IT, YOU HAD TO PHYSICALLY DIG UP, UH, FIVE FEET EITHER SIDE OF THAT TAXIWAY, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
WHAT, SO I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY IT WAS NOT, I MEAN, IT'S ONLY A RE PAVEMENT.
I MEAN, SOME OF IT WAS RECONSTRUCTED, I UNDERSTAND, BUT, UH, I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW THE LOGIC OF Y YES, SIR.
A LOT OF TIMES FOR, UM, REHABILITATION PROJECTS, WHICH IS TYPICALLY WHEN YOU WOULD JUST MILL OFF THE TOP AND REPAVE, UH, THE FAA WILL LET YOU KEEP THE EXISTING GEOMETRY, BUT THE PAVEMENT CONDITION WAS SUCH THAT IT COULDN'T BE RE REHABILITATED.
THERE WASN'T ENOUGH OF A SECTION, UH, SO IT HAD TO BE RECONSTRUCTED.
AND A LOT OF TIMES, IF YOU RECONSTRUCT, THE FA REQUIRES THAT YOU GO BACK INTO WHATEVER THE CURRENT STANDARD IS.
UM, AND IF YOU, I THINK WE, THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FA AND IF THE COUNTY WERE TO MAINTAIN THE WATER TAXIWAY, THEY WOULD, THE FA WOULDN'T PARTICIPATE IN THAT PORTION OF IT.
SO IT, IT WAS POTENTIALLY A FUNDING ISSUE TIED TO THE, OR APPROVAL THROUGH THE FAA? YES, SIR.
UM, CAN, CAN Y'ALL SPEAK OF, UH, THE PROPOSED, UH, RESURFACE OF THE RUNWAY? SO I THINK WHAT THE PLAN WOULD BE IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS COMPLETED FOR THE TAXIWAY, UM, WHICH IS FULL DEBT RECONSTRUCTION.
UH, I KNOW WHEN THE TAXIWAY WAS BEING COMPLETED, THERE WAS SOME, UH, A COUPLE SPOTS THAT OPENED UP ON THE RUNWAY, UM, AND THE CONTRACTOR HAD TO GO OUT THERE AND FILL THOSE.
UM, SO SIMILAR SITUATION WITH THE TAXIWAY WHERE THERE'S JUST NOT MUCH A SUFFICIENT SECTION OF THE RUNWAY PAVEMENT TO MILL AND OVERLAY OR REHABILITATE.
SO IT WOULD NEED TO BE FULLY RECONSTRUCTED, SIMILAR TO THE TAXIWAY.
AND WE'RE AT, I THINK I'VE READ 65, THE RATING ON THE PAVEMENT FOR THE RUNWAY RIGHT NOW, SOMEWHERE IN, IN THAT RANGE, UM, WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT FIVE YEARS MAYBE OR LESS LIFE ON THAT.
I THINK IT'S, UM, THERE ISN'T MAYBE A SET FIGURE ON IT.
UM, BUT IT'S IN THAT RANGE WHERE IT IS ELIGIBLE FOR REHABILITATION OR RECONSTRUCTION AND THE, THE FA HAS THRESHOLDS ON, OR, OR I GUESS TRIGGERS, UM, FOR WHAT QUALIFIES IN INTO THOSE CATEGORIES.
BUT, UM, THE RUNWAY, UH, I THINK PART OF PART, PARTLY IT'S THE CONDITION, BUT THEN THE LACK
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OF, UM, BASE MATERIAL UNDERNEATH AS WELL.UM, SO THE FA UM, I GUESS AS WE SUBMIT A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN PLAN, THE FIVE YEAR CIP, THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE ITEMS THAT, UM, WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE FA AND, AND THE COUNTY AND, UM, WAS DECIDED TO, IT WAS A HIGHER PRIORITY SINCE THE TAXIWAY WAS COMPLETED RECENTLY, THE APRON WAS COMPLETED RECENTLY.
AND, UM, AND THINGS LIKE THE RUNWAY ALSO COMPETE WELL WITHIN THE FA.
UM, THE FA HAS A LIMITED BUDGET THAT THEY HAVE TO, UM, DISPERSE, I GUESS FOR THEIR REGION.
AND, UM, AND, AND SAFETY RELATED RUNWAYS, PAVEMENT CONDITION, TAXIWAYS, UH, CAN COMPETE WELL.
AND THAT PROJECT, I THINK RED WAS LIKE A TWO YEAR PROJECT, A ONE YEAR DESIGN, AND ANOTHER THE NEXT YEAR FUNDING FOR THE BIDDING.
TYPICALLY THEY LIKE TO SPLIT IT UP.
UM, SOMETIMES IT'S DESIGNED ONE YEAR CONSTRUCTION THE IMMEDIATE FOLLOWING YEAR.
UH, SOMETIMES THEY ALSO REQUIRE, THEY CALL IT A GAP YEAR, UH, WHERE YOU'LL DO DESIGN AND THEN YOU HAVE A YEAR, UM, AND THEN A, A FOLLOWING YEAR.
SO I THINK, UH, PART OF IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE FUNDING AVAILABILITY.
UM, IN SOME EARLIER DISCUSSION, AND AT OUR, AT OUR LAST MEETING, UM, MR. ACKMAN MENTIONED THAT IT WOULD BE A, A PORTION OF RECONSTRUCTION AND A AND A LARGER MAJORITY OF IT RESURFACED.
UM, UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID TONIGHT.
THERE'S ALSO BEEN SOME DISCUSSION OF THAT FEDERAL FUNDING.
UM, AND I LIKE TO USE THOSE WORDS, FEDERAL FUNDING, BECAUSE IT'S SO OFTEN ALL THROUGHOUT, PEOPLE LOVE TO USE THOSE FAA WORK LETTERS TO SOMETIMES HIDE BEHIND WHAT'S, WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON.
IT'S, IT'S FEDERAL FUNDING THROUGH OUR FEDERAL TRANSPORTATION.
AND DOES THAT MONEY EVER ROLL OVER? DOES IT BUILD UP, IS THERE ANY FUNDING THAT MOVES FORWARD? BASICALLY, IT, IT DOESN'T, IF YOU'RE TALKING DISCRETIONARY, IT DOESN'T ROLL FORWARD.
THEY HAVE TO SPEND IT ALL IN THE GIVEN YEAR OR LOSE IT.
IF YOU'RE TALKING ENTITLEMENT FUNDING, THAT CAN BE ROLLED OVER.
SO YOU GET 150,000 A YEAR IN AN A IP ENTITLEMENT FUNDING, AND YOU CAN ROLL THAT OVER AND ACCUMULATE UP TO 600,000.
BUT A PROJECT THE SIZE OF LIKE, UM, RUNWAY OR TAX WAVE REHABILITATION CONSTRUCTION, AT LEAST THE CONSTRUCTION PART OF IT, YOU'RE GONNA NEED DISCRETIONARY FOR THAT PROJECT TO HAPPEN.
ALL OF THAT COMES OUT OF THE AIRPORT AND PR PROGRAM.
A IP DOES THAT MONEY THAT BUILDS UP MR. HOLT, IS THAT ABLE TO BE UTILIZED BY THE COUNTIES AS THEIR PORTION PARTICIPATION IN SOME PROJECTS? UH, NO, SIR.
THAT'S, UM, THAT'S A FEDERAL GRANT, AND THOSE GRANTS HAVE TO BE MATCHED BY THE STATE AND WELL, THE, THE AIRPORT SPONSOR, UH, AND HOPEFULLY WILL BE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING A STATE PARTICIPATE, WHICH IS AT SAME PERCENTAGE, BUT NOT A ONE-TO-ONE QUESTION MARK, ONE-TO-ONE IN PARTICIPATION, IF THE FEDS GIVE US A HUNDRED DOLLARS, WE GOTTA GIVE A HUNDRED.
IT'S, IT'S, UM, FOR, FOR MOST OF THE YEARS, IT'S BEEN 90% FEDERAL, 5% STATE, AND 5% LOCAL.
UH, THESE TWO YEARS, THE 25, THE PREVIOUS FEDERAL FISCAL YEAR, AND THIS CURRENT FEDERAL FISCAL YEAR 26 IS ACTUALLY 95% FEDERAL, TWO AND A HALF PERCENT STATE, AND TWO AND HALF PERCENT LOCAL.
WAS THAT ALSO TRUE ON OUR TAXIWAY PROJECT? WAS THAT A 25? IT WAS, UH, IT IS, BUT THAT WAS MULTIPLE YEARS THAT IT WAS A, I BELIEVE A 24 AND A 25.
SO MAYBE DESIGNED IN 24 IN THE CONSTRUCTION IN 25.
I THINK THEY WERE ABLE TO FIND CONSTRUCTION FUNDS IN 24 AND 25.
SO WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THE 25 MONEY IS AT 95% AND THE 24 MONEY IS AT 90%.
SO IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE, IT GETS A LITTLE, LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING IN TERMS OF FIGURING OUT RIGHT.
WHAT THE ACTUAL PERCENTAGE IS, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH MONEY THEY, THEY
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CAN FIND.ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR YOU? SMITH, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND SHARING INFORMATION WITH US BECAUSE THIS IS ONLY OUR SECOND MEETING.
AS YOU SEE, WE'RE ALL TRULY AVIATOR PEOPLE, AND WE LOVE IT.
WE LOVE OUR COUNTY, WE LOVE THE PEOPLE, AND WE'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT IT.
WE'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT SAFETY.
WE'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT, UM, GOOD CONTROLLED GROWTH IN OUR AREA AND OUR REGION, AND ATTRACTING PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE OUR REGION.
UM, AND MR. HOLT, WE JUST WANT TO DO IT IN GOOD FASHION AND GOOD CONSCIENCE WITH GOOD INFORMATION AND MAKE WISE DECISIONS.
AND, UM, IN MY TIME HERE, I I, I LEARNED TO FLY HERE IN THIS COUNTY, AND I STARTED IN 1987.
I'VE, I'VE NEVER HEARD OF US HAVING A GROUP OF SUCH THAT I JUST DESCRIBED.
SO WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO, TO MOVING FORWARD IN COLLABORATION WITH ALL THE PARTNERS AND, AND TRY TO MAKE A REAL POSITIVE DIFFERENCE FOR OUR PEOPLE.
UH, THE NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS, UH, JUST SOME, SOME, SOME QUESTIONS, IF YOU WILL.
AND I THINK, UH, MS. VICKI AND MR. WALT HAVE, AND, UH, AND, AND MS. BRITTANY HAVE PROVIDED US A GOOD DEAL OF INFORMATION HERE.
UM, CAN WE GET THE COMMISSION TO BE RECOGNIZED AT THE FAA LEVEL FOR US, PLEASE? SO WE COULD HAVE PROPER INFORMAL NOTIFICATION TO THEM OF THE CLATON COUNTY AERONAUTICS COMMISSION? I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
UM, THE, THE, THE FEDERAL AVIATION AUTHORITY AT THIS TIME DOES NOT RECOGNIZE THE COMMISSION, THE CLATON COUNTY AERONAUTICS COMMISSION.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE THAT THEY BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE WHO THE MEMBERS ARE AND THE COMMISSION AND ITS, UM, GOVERNANCE AND HOW IT'S MADE AND SET UP.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE REQUEST.
SO RIGHT NOW ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE, I'M NOT SURE THE LOGISTICS BEHIND THAT.
SO I DUNNO IF I COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
AND I'M SORRY I TURNED MY MIC ON.
UM, LIKE I SAID, I, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO, INTO WHAT, WHAT THAT ENTAILS.
I, I THINK IT SUGGESTS BEHIND THAT, I THINK IT ENTAILS SOME EMAILS FROM THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO SAY THAT THESE PEOPLE, CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION ON THAT? SURE.
I THINK, I THINK WHAT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE IS THAT MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION BE INCLUDED ON ALL CONVERSATIONS WITH THE A.
AND THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS I HAD THREE EMAILS WITH THE, WITH THE FAA TODAY BECAUSE OF WHAT I DO IN MY, IN MY OTHER CAREER.
AND I KNOW THAT GENERALLY THEY'RE OPEN TO, TO THAT, THAT THAT RECOGNITION MAY NOT BE THE CORRECT WORD, BUT INCLUSION WOULD BE THAT, THAT WE ARE, WE'RE INCLUDED IN ALL CONVERSATION WITH THE FAA, THE FAA COMES HERE FOR A MEETING THAT WE BE ALLOWED THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE.
CAN I EXPAND ON THAT JUST A MINUTE? SURE.
UH, I HAD IN, IN SEARCH OF SOME INFORMATION REGARDING THE APPROACHES TO THE MANNING AIRPORT.
I REACHED OUT TO ATLANTIC, UH, THE ATLANTA AIRPORT DISTRICT OFFICE AND SPOKE TO THE PERSON IN CHARGE OF MANNING.
AND, UM, HE WOULD NOT PROVIDE ME WITH ANY INFORMATION OTHER THAN TO CONTACT, UH, MS. VICKIE.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I FEEL THAT WE NEED TO BE RECOGNIZED AS, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT WE ARE THE COMMISSION, UH, RESPONSIBLE FOR THE AIRPORT.
I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT, THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD WANT THAT PARTICIPATION.
'CAUSE YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF TALENT SITTING HERE.
AND, AND BASICALLY WE'RE FREE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S GOTTA BE A GOOD DEAL FOR THE COUNTY.
UM, ONE THING THAT I, I WOULD ASK OF THE COMMISSION IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS BRAND NEW TO EVERYBODY, AND WE HAD SOME OFFLINE DISCUSSION A FEW WEEKS AGO, AND I THINK WE NEED TO GET TOGETHER, UM, A PORTION OF THE COMMISSION TO, LIKE A SUBCOMMITTEE TO WORK
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OUT LOGISTICALLY HOW WE'RE GOING TO COMBINE EFFORTS OF THE COUNTY AND THE COMMISSION SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHO'S DOING WHAT AND WHEN AND WHERE.AND I THINK HOPEFULLY THAT'LL ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS AS WELL.
UM, I HOPE THAT'S CORRECT, WALT AND I, AND WE DO NEED THAT, BUT WE ALSO DO NEED TO TRY TO MOVE FORWARD AND MOVE A LITTLE BIT OUT OF THE PAST AND INTO WHERE WE ARE AND LOOK TOWARD THE FUTURE AND, AND MAKE IT THAT WE CAN ACT AND REACT AND PERFORM AS A COMMISSION AS IT WAS INTENDED.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S TRULY MY, MY WISH OF THAT.
UM, AND BE GLAD TO SPEAK ABOUT IT FURTHER AS, AS YOU SAY.
BUT, UM, SOME OF THESE THINGS, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAKE 'EM OPEN AND UP TO PUBLIC RECORD.
THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S QUITE DIFFERENT THAT WE'VE NEVER HAD, AND THAT IS THIS OPEN COMMUNICATION ABOUT OUR AIRPORT, ITS FACILITY, HOW IT'S USED, AND, UH, AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES WITH THAT.
UM, THE NEXT ONE BE, I THINK THEY HAVE ANSWERED, UM, UNDER HC, UM, THE, THE WEBSITE CURRENTLY.
AND I, I REALIZE THERE'S ONLY SO MANY MINUTES IN A DAY AND YOU ONLY HAVE SO MUCH RESOURCES.
AND I ALSO REALIZE THERE'S BEEN A LOT GOING ON IN THE, IN THE COUNTY OFFICES OF RECENT WEEKS AND A COUPLE OF MONTHS, AND THERE'S BEEN LOTS OF FIRES BURNING AND, UM, AND SO I, I'M RECOGNIZING THAT, BUT, BUT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO TRY TO MOVE FORWARD AND GET THE, UH, THE, THE COMMISSION INFORMATION ON THE WEBSITE UPDATED WHEN YOU CAN AND, AND AS APPROPRIATE.
UM, AND I THINK FOR, UH, FOR DEE THAT IT'S, THAT IT'S ANSWERED IN HERE.
UM, YOU PROVIDED THIS WITH A QUITE A BIT OF, OF FINANCIAL INFORMATION THAT WE CAN PROVE AND GO THROUGH AND, AND MOVE WITH THAT.
UM, TO MOVE ON TO NUMBER 10, UM, JUST RECENTLY WE JUST RECEIVED THIS INFORMATION THAT, UM, THE HOLT FIRM HAD PARTICIPATED IN WITH THE COUNTY THAT HAD BEEN GOING ON FOR AT LEAST, UM, AT LEAST SOME TIME NOW.
AND, AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE DATE OF WHEN IT STARTED, UM, THIS MOST RECENT REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE, UM, AND I'M, AND I'M SUPPOSING THAT THAT WAS, WAS LARGELY PROVIDED BY YOUR FIRM FOR THIS AIRPORT, UH, RUNWAY RECONSTRUCTION, UM, OR, OR PERHAPS BETWEEN THE HOLTS AND, AND OUR GRANT WRITER, UM, PUTS US AS A COMMISSION IN A BIT OF AN ODD PREDICAMENT.
IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, THEN THE PUBLIC'S GONNA SEE THAT AS THE CURRENT COMMISSION DID THAT AT, AND THAT'S NOT TRUE.
UM, BEFORE WE SET OUT TO SPEND FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS OF THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY ON A RUNWAY THAT HAS MANY OTHER ISSUES AS FAR AS SERVING THE PEOPLE AND THE PUBLIC AND MANY OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO BE WORKED ON MANY ISSUES, I WOULD SAY INTERNALLY TO THE COUNTY BUSINESS, WHICH IS PRIOR TO EVERYONE HERE BEING, UM, ELECTED OR HIRED PERSONS OF THE COUNTY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WORKS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT PUT ON HOLD THAT BEFORE WE SPEND FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS OR PLAN TO, ON A RUNWAY THAT'S, THAT'S MARGINAL TO MEETING THE, THE CRITERIA WINDOW FOR THIS RECONSTRUCTION, THAT YOU GIVE US SOME TIME TO LEARN, GO THROUGH THE INFORMATION, PERUSE THIS, THAT, THAT EVERYONE COULD GET ON BOARD WITH THAT.
SO WHETHER THAT CAN TAKE PLACE OR NOT, WHETHER THE COUNTY ALLOWS THAT OR NOT, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT OF THE PUBLIC RECORD OF THE CONSENSUS OF OUR COMMISSION AT THIS TIME REGARDING TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AT THIS TIME.
AND I DON'T KNOW, MS. HOLT, IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT, OR I WOULD SAY REGARDING THE, THE TIMETABLE IS REALLY THE FAAS TIMETABLE WE'RE FOLLOWING RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO THAT GRANT APPLICATION WENT IN ON MAY 1ST.
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A GRANT OFFER JULY OR AUGUST.SO THAT'S, THEY FOUND THE MONEY AND, AND THEY'VE BEEN WORKING, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS, THIS CIP, THE FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT WE HAVE TO UPDATE EVERY YEAR AND SUPPLY IT TO THE FAA AND TO THE STATE.
AND WE GO OVER THAT SO THAT EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE.
SO ONCE EVERYBODY AGREES THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO, THEN FAA STARTS LOOKING FOR FUNDING.
IF WE NEED DISCRETIONARY, BECAUSE THAT'S COMPETITIVE, YOU HAVE YOUR ENTITLEMENT FUNDING THAT'S GUARANTEED, BUT YOU NEED DISCRETIONARY.
SO THEY HAVE TO START PLANNING THAT A YEAR AHEAD.
SO THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE DISCRETIONARY MONEY FOR THIS PROJECT FOR OVER A YEAR.
SO WE'RE AT THE VERY SORT OF THE TAIL END OF THIS PROCESS OF THE GRANT WHERE, UM, THEY SAY, SEND US AN APPLICATION, WHICH MEANS PRETTY MUCH THEY'RE GONNA MAKE IT HAPPEN.
THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THEY CAN'T GUARANTEE YOU, BUT IT'S PRETTY MUCH BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE.
IF THEY ASK, IT'S, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
AND SO WHEN WE SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION, THAT WAS THEIR DEADLINE WAS MAY THE FIRST, AND IT USUALLY TAKES A COUPLE MONTHS FOR THEM TO, UH, GENERATE A GRANT OFFER, WHICH THEY WOULD SEND TO THE COUNTY.
AND, UH, AND THAT'S THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO SIGN THAT GRANT OFFER AND MAKE IT A GRANT OR NOT.
IS IS THAT DONE IN SUCH A WAY THAT PERHAPS IF IT WERE DECIDED THAT SPENDING MONEY IMMEDIATELY ON A RUNWAY MAYBE WASN'T THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, OR DO THEY SAY THAT'S ALL YOU CAN SPEND THE MONEY ON? UH, SO THE GRANT WOULD HAVE A, A, A DESCRIPTION OR PROJECT DESCRIPTION.
SO IT'S ONLY GOOD FOR THAT PROJECT, BUT DOES NOT PRECIPITATE US FROM BEING ABLE TO REQUEST A DIFFERENT GRANT.
UH, IT NEEDS TO BE ON YOUR CIP FIVE YEAR.
THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO BE REALLY A VERY THOUGHTFUL PROCESS AS YOU'RE UPDATING YOUR CIP, UM, AND UN UNDER UNDERSTAND WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO BE A PART OF THAT.
SO WE'RE COMING IN ON RIGHT ON ON A DIFFICULT POSITION.
WELL THEN THAT PROCESS STARTED, ACTUALLY THE UPDATE OCCURS AROUND THE END OF THE YEAR CALENDAR YEAR.
SO, UH, USUALLY UPDATED FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS ARE DUE THE FAA ROUND, UH, THE 1ST OF DECEMBER.
SO WE BEGAN PLANNING THAT, UM, SEVERAL MONTHS PRIOR TO THAT.
SO THAT HAPPENED BACK, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY IN SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER OF 2025.
SO THAT'S THE CIP THAT EVERYBODY IS THE FAA AND THE STATE THAT THEY HAVE AND THEY'RE WORKING OFF OF.
DOES COLTON ASSOCIATES WRITE THE CIP OR IS IT A COMBINE EFFORT WITH THE COUNTY AND YES.
IT'S A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT BETWEEN THE FAA, THE COUNTY, THE STATE AND US.
DOES THE COUNTY HAVE SUFFICIENT INPUT IN THAT? THEY, UH, I GUESS YOU'D HAVE TO ASK THEM, BUT NO, I MEAN, ACCORDING TO THE RULING FROM THE, THE, FROM THE FUNDING DOES, IS THERE, IS THERE GOOD WEIGHT ON THE COUNTY'S INPUT OR IS ALL THE WEIGHT ON THE FEDS AND THE STATE? WELL, DOES THE COUNTY HAVE GOOD WEIGHT, THE COUNTY WEIGHTED INPUT? ABSOLUTELY.
'CAUSE IF THE COUNTY DOESN'T WANT THE, THE COUNTY OR AS THE FAA CALLS 'EM THE SPONSOR RIGHT.
DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT, THEN THEY MOVE ON TO SOMETHING ELSE.
THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE A THOUGHTFUL PROCESS AND THAT THE COUNTY DEFINITELY HAS TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT.
UM, AND, UH, IT, IT'S, AT THIS POINT IN TIME TO, UM, TO DECIDE SOMETHING DIFFERENT IS, IS, UH,
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IT'S NOT GONNA BE A, A GOOD THING FOR ANYBODY ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT JUST 'CAUSE WE'RE, IT'S BEEN PLANNED FOR SO LONG AND ALL, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN LINED UP AND IT'S JUST A MATTER NOW WE GET APPROACHING THE END OF THE FEDERAL FISCAL YEAR.SO THEY'RE TRYING, AS I SAID, THAT DISCRETIONARY MONEY DOESN'T ROLL OVER AND THEY HAVE TO SPEND IT.
SO THEY'RE PUTTING IT IN ALL THE VARIOUS PLACES AND BASED ON APPLICATIONS, GRANT APPLICATIONS THAT ARE IN THERE, THEY'RE MAKING SURE THEY HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO ALL THESE PROJECTS.
SO YOU MAKE A CHANGE IN THE LAST MINUTE LIKE THAT, IT, IT, UH, IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK GOOD FOR EVERYBODY.
IT WILL MORE THAN LIKELY IMPACT FUTURE MONIES OR OUR OPPORTUNITY TO DO THINGS GOING FORWARD.
THEY DON'T TEND THE LIKE TO TURN THE SHIP AROUND OR, OR STOP WHAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR SO LONG.
AND I WAS GONNA ASK, AND IT'S NOT JUST FAA, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY MUCH EVERY FEDERAL AGENCY OPERATES THE SAME WAY.
AND I'LL BE BLUNT, YOU KNOW, FROM MY EXPERIENCE IN AIRPORTS, IF YOU TELL F FA NO, AFTER THEY HAVE THEIR HAND OUT GIVING YOU MONEY, YOU PROBABLY WON'T GET ANOTHER DOLLAR FOR YEARS TO COME.
SO TO TURN OUR BACK ON THIS, UM, I THINK WILL BE A BAD MOVE.
I MEAN, I, I KNOW OUR POSITION, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF COMING IN ON THE BACK END OF THIS.
WE WEREN'T INVOLVED IN ANY OF THE PLANNING.
IT KIND OF HURTS OUR FEELINGS A LITTLE BIT, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROJECT.
UM, IF, IF THEY'RE GONNA FUND IT FOR US.
I, I MEAN IT'S OBVIOUSLY IT'S, IT'S NEEDED THE NEXT, AT LEAST NO MORE THAN FIVE YEARS THAT RUNWAY'S GONNA PROBABLY START CRUMBLING EVEN WORSE.
SO IT'S NEEDED ONE, ONE THING I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, THAT WE DO FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT IS WE NEED TO WORK WITH WHOLE, THAT GROUP DEVELOPED SOME SMALL PROJECTS.
AND WHEN I SAY SMALL PROJECTS, PROBABLY HALF A MILLION DOLLARS OR LESS, WHAT MY EXPERIENCE THROUGH DIFFERENT FEDERAL AGENCIES, UM, IT COMES UP TO THE END OF THIS PERIOD AND SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE IN THE COUNTRY IS GOING TO BACK OUT AND THEY'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY LEFT OVER.
AND I MEAN, A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY THAT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO ME, RIGHT?
UM, BUT IF YOU HAVE WHAT THEY CALL SHOVEL READY PROJECTS, THEN SOMETIMES THERE'S THAT LITTLE EXCESS MONEY AND YOU CAN KIND OF THROW YOUR HAT IN THE RING AND MAYBE WE GET A LITTLE BIT OF SOMETHING ALONG AND ALONG THAT MAYBE DOESN'T FIT IN OUR, OUR LONG TERM CIP.
BUT IT'S SOMETHING, HEY, THIS WOULD BE GOOD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE HAVE A TEE HANGER DESIGN.
NOW I'M JUST THROWING SOMETHING OUT.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE HAVE A A AN EX AN EXTENSION TO OUR CURRENT TERMINAL BUILDING READY TO GO.
UM, AND ALWAYS HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT SITTING ON THE SHELF IN CASE THAT FUNDING BECOMES AVAILABLE.
AND IT'S GENERALLY A LAST MINUTE TYPE THING.
I MEAN, THEY'LL POP UP IN, IN SEPTEMBER AND PUT THE CALL OUT AND SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT THIS LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA MONEY.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A SHOVEL READY PROJECT? AND IF YOU GOT, HEY, I GOT ONE ON THE SHELF, THEN WE MAY BE BE ABLE TO PIECEMEAL A FEW THINGS THAT WE WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE TO WAIT YEARS AND YEARS FOR.
AND, AND, AND FOR EVERYONE'S INPUT, AND THIS IS, THIS HAS ACCOMPLISHED WHAT I WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH.
I WANTED IT TO BE TRANSPARENT.
I WANTED IT TO BE ON THE PUBLIC RECORD.
AND, AND I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT DOESN'T MEAN I LIKE IT, IT DOESN'T MEAN ALL OF US LIKE IT, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE THINK THAT'S THE WISEST EXPENDITURE OF THE MONEY, BUT HERE WE ARE.
UM, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I THINK THAT WHAT'S BEEN SHOWN TO US IS THE MOST EFFICIENT AFFECTED MYTHOLOGY TO, TO GET THE END RESULT.
AND NONE OF THAT IS JUST NOT ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM'S DESIGN.
SOME OF THAT'S IN STIPULATIONS OF THE CONTRACTS AND WHO YOU USE AND, AND ALL OF THAT.
AND, AND AS I SIT HERE AND CONTEMPLATE THIS, I REALIZE I HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH MY WORDS AND WHAT I SAY.
UM, BUT I CAN SAY, BECAUSE I'LL SAY IT BECAUSE IT WAS IN A ROOM WITH WALT AND IT'S NOT THROWING ANYBODY ELSE UNDER THE BUS EXCEPT THE MAN THAT WE'RE LOOKING STRAIGHT FACED WITH, RIGHT? IS THAT WE'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT DID NOT KNOW, AND YOU CAN'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW.
BUT WHEN WE'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT AN APPROACH IS TO A RUNWAY, IT'S PRETTY HARD TO MAKE REALLY GREAT DECISIONS AND WISE DECISIONS ABOUT THE RUNWAY.
SO I, I APPRECIATE THE CANDOR OF EVERYONE TONIGHT, AND I THINK THIS
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IS THE PLATFORM THAT MOVES US FORWARD, RIGHT? AND, AND, AND GETS IT OUT THERE.I MEAN, I WILL SAY I WAS QUITE TAKEN BACK WHEN I SAW THAT THIS WAS SO RECENTLY PUT OUT TO PUSH AND THAT WE'RE IN A POSITION HERE TO WANT TO IMPROVE OUR FACILITY AS A WHOLE IN ALL ASPECTS.
NOW WE'RE GONNA SPEND AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY, AT LEAST CERTAINLY IN MY VIEW, AND I THINK FOR OUR COUNTY'S GENERAL VIEW, AND WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE RUN.
AND THAT'S A HARD, IT'S A HARD THING TO, TO TRY TO GET AHOLD OF AND THINK THAT THAT'S MOVING US FORWARD.
AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT SOMETIMES YOU DO HAVE TO HOLD BACK TO MOVE FORWARD.
I, I'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS A LONG TIME AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, I SURE HOPE WE CAN MOVE IN SOME OF THESE WAYS, AS MR. AKRON SPOKE OF, THAT CAN MOVE US FORWARD, THAT WE CAN LOOK TOWARDS SOME OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS AND TURN SOME OF THOSE NEVER SAY NEVERS INTO SOMETHING THAT COULD BE A YES.
AND IT COULD REALLY CATAPULT US FORWARD IN A, IN A BIG AND CONTROLLED WISE DIRECTION.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THIS.
I THINK THAT WAS GREAT INFORMATION IN THAT.
UM, I THINK THAT'S IN THIS STEVE, NUMBER NINE, I THINK THEY HAVE PRESENTED US WITH A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF INFORMATION THAT INCLUDES THAT.
IS THAT CORRECT, MS. VICKI? NUMBER, NUMBER NINE ON THE AGENDA WAS THE INSPECTION, THE UPCOMING INSPECTION IS, IS THAT IN THIS? YES, IT IS.
I THINK IT'S THE VERY FIRST PAGE.
I, I THINK, I THINK THAT WAS COVERED.
I WANNA KNOW HOW Y'ALL GONNA DO IT IN ONE DAY THEY GOT IN THERE, SAYS ONE DAY THEY GOT COMPLETE COOPERATION FROM EVERY MEMBER.
THEY'RE GONNA ALL SHOW UP ON TIME.
AND WHO'S GONNA, WHO'S GONNA BE DOING THAT INSPECTION? OUR STAFF WILL.
WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO BE PRESENT.
AT LEAST, AT LEAST SOME OF US OR ONE OF US.
UM, SO I HAVE UP ON THE SCREEN AND WE, WE AS A GROUP OF THOSE THAT, UH, THAT RESPONDED, UM, TRYING TO GET, UM, I'M MOVING ON TO NUMBER 11.
UM, THE, THE COUNTY OFFICIALS ASK AND, AND WE ASK THE QUESTIONS OF OURSELVES, OF WHERE, WHERE DO WE START, WHERE DO WE BEGIN? WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE OUR, OUR BULLET POINTS, IF YOU WILL.
AND SO AS BEST AS WE KNOW IT, BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE HAD COMING TO THIS MEETING, THESE WERE OUR BULLET POINTS THAT WE AS A COMMISSION WANT TO TRY TO HAVE CAUSE AND EFFECT ON.
SO PERHAPS SOME OF THAT, MR. ACKMAN, WE CAN, IN THOSE WAYS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CAN, CAN HELP WITH SOME OF THESE, UM, COMPARATIVELY MUCH SMALLER PROJECTS THAT, THAT WE CAN, CAN MOVE THROUGH.
I REALLY DON'T WANNA GET IN THE WEEDS OF THEM.
THEY'RE JUST FOR INFORMATION AND, AND THE PUBLIC CAN SEE 'EM.
NOBODY'S, WE'RE NOT HIDING BEHIND ANYTHING.
AND THAT'S JUST THE VIEWPOINT AS THE CONSENSUS THAT I HAVE AT THIS TIME.
UM, IF ANY OF THE MEMBERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS TO MAKE ON IT OR ANYTHING TO PRESENT TO THE PUBLIC, I'M OF THE OPINION THAT THE MASTER PLAN PROBABLY SHOULD BE.
AND YOU FOLKS ARE IN CHARGE OF THAT ALSO.
DO, DO YOU GUYS PRODUCE A MASTER PLAN? YES.
CAN, DOES THE, UH, FAA ONLY WORK ON A FIVE YEAR IS PLAN? IS THAT, DO THEY NOT LOOK, DO, DO WE NOT LOOK BEYOND THAT? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, OUR FIRST BULLET IS A LITTLE BIT MORE GLOBAL.
IT'S BASED ON FORECASTED ACTIVITY OVER 20 YEARS.
WHERE, WHERE DOES THAT FORECAST, WHAT, WHERE'S THAT DERIVED FROM? UM, IT'S, BUT THIS AIRPORT, IT MAY BE THAT THEY WANTED US TO USE THEIR, WHAT THEY CALL THEIR TERMINAL AREA FORECAST.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN THAT WE HAD TO USE THAT, THAT'S WHAT THEY REQUIRED.
UM, BUT YOU CAN DEVELOP YOUR OWN FORECAST IF THEY, IF THEY THINK IT'S WARRANTED.
CAN YOU GET TO THAT FORECAST ON THE FAA WEBSITE? YES, SIR.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU GOOGLE FAA TERMINAL AREA FORECAST OKAY.
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IT'S FOR EVERY, UH, AIRPORT IN THE NEAS NATIONAL PLAN OF INTEGRATED AIRPORT SYSTEMS. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S 4,000 AIRPORTS, BUT YOU CAN SCROLL DOWN AND FIND IT.IT'S, OR YOU CAN PROBABLY, YOU CAN PROBABLY EVEN JUST HIT CONTROL F AND TYPE IN, UH, MNI AND IT'LL TAKE YOU RIGHT THERE.
WHEN WAS OUR LAST 20 YEAR PLAN? IT WAS, UM, LET'S SEE.
CAN THOSE PLANS BE AMENDED, MR. ALL? THEY CAN.
UM, I'VE NOT STUDIED THAT ONE BY THE WAY.
I'M NOT THROWING KNIVES AT IT.
IF, IF, IF I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID CORRECT.
AND I'M SORRY TO, BUT IN, I THINK THAT A PLAN IS ACTUALLY UPDATED SLASH AMENDED EACH YEAR.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE THE FIVE YEAR CIP IS UPDATED EVERY YEAR, BUT, AND IT SHOULD FOLLOW THE, THE AIRPORT LAYOFF PLAN OR MASTER PLAN.
UM, SO THE MASTER PLAN GIVES YOU, UH, IT IS SUPPOSED TO REFLECT A VISION OF WHERE THE, THE SPONSOR WANTS THE AIRPORT TO GO IF AS LONG AS WE CAN SHOW JUSTIFICATION TO THE FAA.
SO IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT.
UM, BUT IT GIVES YOU A ROADMAP, SO TO SPEAK, FOR 20 YEARS.
BUT THE CIP IS FIVE YEARS AND THAT'S WHY THEY WANT THAT TO BE A REAL THOUGHTFUL PROCESS.
PARTICULARLY THE, UM, THE FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS OF THAT CIP IT, IT SHOULD BE PRETTY FIRM THAT THAT'S WHAT THE SPONSOR WANTS.
UM, THEY WILL ALLOW IT TO CHANGE A LITTLE BIT IN THE OUTER YEARS.
UM, BUT IT'S, IT NEEDS TO BE A THOUGHTFUL PROCESS AS YOU'RE PUTTING IT TOGETHER.
SO EVERY YEAR THEY JUST ADD ANOTHER YEAR TO THE FIVE YEAR CIP AND THAT PROCESS SHOULD BEGIN AROUND THE SEPTEMBER TIMEFRAME TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE CIP SO THAT WE, BY THE TIME THAT DECEMBER AROUND THE 1ST OF DECEMBER DEADLINE COMES AROUND, WE'VE ALREADY VETTED THIS AND WE ALL AGREE WITH IT.
WE INVOLVE THE FAA AND THE STATE AND THEN WE SUBMIT IT.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY USE FOR THEIR PLANNING FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
BUT THE, THE, UM, MASTER PLAN OR THE A LP UPDATE, UM, IT WAS DONE IN 21 AND THEY TYPICALLY, UH, DON'T UPDATE AN UPDATE.
UM, YOU KNOW, VERY OFTEN, UM, THERE NEEDS TO BE GOOD REASONING BEHIND, GOOD LOGIC BEHIND THERE'S A CHANGE IN VISION OR THERE'S SOMETHING THAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, MAYBE SOME BIG INDUSTRY OR WHATEVER.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW WE'VE GOT ALL THIS ACTIVITY AND THAT WAS NEVER ENVISIONED AND WHEN WE DID THE FORECAST.
UM, SO THERE, THERE ARE REASONS AND WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE A DIALOGUE WITH THE FAA TO SEE IF THEY WOULD, UH, AGREE THAT WE SHOULD UPDATE IT IF THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO GO.
OTHERWISE YOU CAN UPDATE IT, BUT THEY WOULDN'T FUND IT.
AND WE'D HAVE TO INVOLVE THEM.
'CAUSE WE NEED THEIR, UH, THEY, THEY, THEY STAMP THIS WITH A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL AND SIGN IT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE AFTER.
MS. PINO, ON THE STATE SIDE OF THINGS, SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU THERE.
UM, IS THERE ANY DISCRETIONARY FUNDING FROM THE STATE THAT CAN HELP IN THE PERCENTAGE OF PARTICIPATION LOCALLY ON ANY OF THIS TYPE PROJECTS? THAT MIGHT BE A VERY CONVOLUTED QUESTION.
I COULD REACH OUT TO THE STATE COMMISSION AND SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY OPTIONS FOR THEM.
BUT THEN OF COURSE, APPROPRIATIONS COULD ALSO BE A GYMNAST AS WELL.
AND I, AND I WOULD THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE, AGAIN, SMALLER SHOVEL READY PROJECTS COULD COME IN HANDY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH REPRESENTATIVE PINO OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS AND WE'VE HAD A FEW HOT IRONS THAT WE CAN STICK IN THAT FIRE AND SHE CAN HELP PUSH THINGS FORWARD.
BUT YOU GOTTA BE READY, YOU KNOW, WHEN SHE CALLS AND SAYS, HEY, I FOUND SOME
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MONEY.UM, IF YOU CAN GET ME THAT INFORMATION, BING BANG, BOOM.
AND WE WORK RIGHT TOGETHER LIKE THAT.
AND I THINK WE COULD DO THE SAME THING RIGHT.
UM, I THINK THAT, UM, I THINK WE'VE COVERED A LOT OF GROUND TONIGHT AND I THINK WE'VE HAVE, HAVE BUILT A GOOD PLATFORM TO BEGIN WORKING OFF NIGHT.
UM, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH SOME TURMOIL, BUT IT WAS GONNA TAKE TURMOIL TO MAKE CHANGE.
AND, AND THIS IS A BIG CHANGE.
UM, SO TO MOVE TO NUMBER 12, THE LAST THING THAT'S ON OUR AGENDA, UM, IS THERE, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE WHOLE FIRM TO, UH, NO SIR.
UH, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE, UH, I THINK ONE TIME IT, DURING OUR DISCUSSION IT WAS ABOUT THE TAX AWAY.
UH, AND I MENTIONED WE COULD GO BACK AND LOOK THROUGH OUR EMAILS TO SEE IF WE HAVE SOMETHING FROM THE FA THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE WIDTH.
I THINK IT WAS THE WIDTH THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
UH, IF, IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING, OR IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT Y'ALL NEED FROM US.
I, I, I THINK IT WAS MORE ABOUT GETTING SOME CLARITY ABOUT HOW IT HAPPENED.
BECAUSE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, HAD THERE BEEN THE RIGHT PROPER INQUISITIONS AND PLANNING SOME TIME AGO WHEN THAT PROJECT WAS IN ITS INFANCY THAT WE COULD NOT UNDERSTAND, GIVEN THAT, HOW THAT COULD HAVE COME TO BE, AS IN HAVING AN AIRCRAFT NOT HOPING TO HAVE AN AIRCRAFT, BUT HAVING AN AIRCRAFT BASED THERE THAT HAD THE REQUIREMENTS THAT, THAT NOW WE'VE A LITTLE BIT, WE AL IT ALMOST PUSHES THEM OUT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY ISSUES OF IT.
AND, AND THEY'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER OF THAT SAME AIRCRAFT THAT DO UTILIZE THE FACILITY.
I'VE WITNESSED MYSELF RECENTLY.
SO THAT, THAT'S REALLY OUR QUESTION WE CAN'T UNDO YESTERDAY, MR. HOLT.
UM, BUT MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO NEED TO COME BACK TO THE TABLE WITH AND MAYBE SEE IF THERE ISN'T A WAY TO REVISIT THAT AND GET THAT CORRECTIVE ACTION MADE.
AND MAYBE THAT HAS TO BE DONE WHILE WE'RE CLOSING THE AIRPORT OFF FOR THIS OTHER PROJECT.
MAYBE WE CAN AT LEAST SPEAK TO THAT AND SEE WHAT THAT WOULD TAKE.
'CAUSE I REALLY DO FEEL LIKE THAT, THAT THAT WAS A TERRIBLE MISTAKE.
UM, AND AND THERE'S AND, AND I'M NOT THROWING DARTS OR POINTING FINGERS 'CAUSE AS YOU SAY, IT'S A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT AND A DIRECTION BY MANY DIFFERENT CHIEFS.
AND, UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT MAY, EXCUSE ME, MAY I ASK, UM, REGARDING THE 20 YEAR PLAN, IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET COPIES OF THAT FOR US? SURE.
I THINK IT WOULD HELP US YEAH.
HAVING THAT BIGGER PICTURE THAT EVERYONE HAS.
I THINK THAT GOES BACK TO BEING INCLUSIVE IN THE COMMUNICATION SURE.
AND, AND KNOWLEDGE AND, AND GETTING THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED.
UM, WELL I I GOTTA GO BACK TO, IT'S BEEN SAID SEVERAL TIMES THAT THE, WHAT'S BEEN DONE ON THE TAXIWAY WAS BASED ON THE TRAFFIC COUNT.
WELL, WHAT WAS DONE TO THE, TO THE TAXIWAY IS GOING TO AFFECT FUTURE TRAFFIC COUNT.
AND THAT'S TO ME IS THE DISTURBING THING.
I, BECAUSE I LIVE LESS THAN A MILE FROM THE FORCE AND I'M OUT THERE FAIRLY OFTEN, I'VE HEARD SEVERAL OF THE, THE TENANTS SAY DURING THE PROCESS THAT THEY WERE RAILING NOT TO DO THIS.
SO, AND LIKE I SAID, I'M, I KNOW I'M BEATING A DEAD HORSE HERE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED TO START WITH.
AND, AND YES, I HAVE 2020 HINDSIGHT EVEN LIKE THIS.
SO
UM, IN AN EARLIER CONVERSATION WE SPOKE ABOUT THE FACT THAT I RECEIVED A CALL ABOUT AN AIRCRAFT COMING IN THAT WANTED TO COME INTO MANON.
AND IT WAS, AND IT WAS LARGER THAN, THAN WAS RESPECTABLE SAFELY POSSIBLE, RIGHT? DRIVEN BY INSURANCE MORE THAN ANYTHING.
UM, THIS PAST FRIDAY EVENING FIVE, AFTER 5:00 PM I GET A CALL FROM THE A TC AT SHAW ABOUT AN AIRCRAFT IN DISTRESS
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LANDING AT MAN.AND I FIRST THOUGHT LANDING AT SC 41 OR MIKE NOVEMBER, INDIA, AND HE SAID, NO, AT, AT MNI AND HE SAID, UH, AN AIRCRAFT'S DECLARED AN EMERGENCY AND WE CAN'T GET AHOLD OF ANYBODY TO CHECK ON IT.
THAT'S A LITTLE SAD TO ME THAT THAT FIVE O'CLOCK ON FRIDAY EVENING, AND BY FIVE 15 I WAS OUT THERE TO SEE THE GUY.
THANK GOODNESS HE WAS SITTING ON THE TIRE AT THE RUNWAY.
BUT HE HAD DECLARED AN EMERGENCY AND THERE WAS NO ONE THAT THEY COULD REACH.
AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE HOW, HOW HE GOT TO MY NUMBER UNLESS JUST THE, THE PALM AIR PLANTATION IS THERE AND MY NUMBER IS LISTED THERE WITH THAT.
SO AS, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO GET STRAIGHT AND CLARITY ON.
UM, AND, AND AIR NAV, YOU WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T EXPECT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT AIR NAV, BUT AIR NAV IS A TOOL THAT WE USE TO LOOK UP AIRPORTS OR DISTANCE OR JUST TONS OF INFORMATION THAT'S OUT THERE.
SO, UM, WHEN'S THE LAST TIME ANY OF YOU HAD LUNCH AT J AND E SUPER AT I'VE BEEN BY IT.
I HAD NO, WAS IT OPEN
AND THAT'S LISTED AS THE CLOSEST PLACE TO HAVE LUNCH ON AIR NAV AT THE, AT THE MANNING AIRPORT.
AND SO, AS FUNNY AS THAT SEEMS TO US, UM, TO HAVE, AND, AND THIS ISN'T, THIS IS NO REFLECTION ON JAY AND E 'CAUSE HE'S PASSED AWAY AND IT'S, AND IT'S OUT OUT OF BUSINESS.
BUT THAT'S WHAT'S REPRESENTED AS BEING THE PLACE TO GO TO HAVE LUNCH.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS THAT, THAT AS WE LOOK AND THINK ABOUT THAT THAT, THAT WE WANNA BRING ATTENTION TO AND GET CLARITY AND CLEANED UP.
UM, IN CLOSING, I JUST, I JUST LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO, TO NAVIGATE THE CHANGE 'CAUSE THIS IS A CHANGE AND GATHERING INFORMATION, WORKING ALONGSIDE OUR ELECTED, OUR COUNTY, UH, THE STATE OFFICIALS, THE STAFF, UM, WE'RE ALL WORKING TOWARD POSITIVE STEPS AND UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE'LL GET BETTER.
UM, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE, FOR THE LATE, UM, SENDING OF THE AGENDA.
I WAS REALLY TRYING TO GATHER AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE COULD AHEAD OF TIME AND, AND BUSY TIMES AND SCHEDULES FOR ALL OF US.
AND, UH, AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD AND WE'LL GET TO A POINT WHERE WE'VE GOT A PLACE ON THE AGENDA FOR UNFINISHED BUSINESS THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH IN, IN EACH MEETING.
AND, UM, AND I THINK ALL OF US HERE FROM ALL THE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD ARE JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO, TO MAKING A DIFFERENCE.
UM, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GOOD OF OUR COMMISSION, OUR COUNTY, OUR PEOPLE? MIGHT WE HEAR A MOTION TO ADJOURN BEFORE, BEFORE WE ADJOURN? IF WE COULD PICK A SET DATE? IT'S GONNA HELP OUR, SO OUR, OUR PEOPLE HERE AT OUR, AT OUR LAST, AT OUR LAST MEETING AND I DID, I'M SORRY, WALT, I HAD THAT IN MY NOTES TOO, UM, TO SPEAK ABOUT.
UH, AS FOR NOW, UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS SOMETHING DIFFERENT AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE DID SET THAT WE WOULD MEET ON THE FOURTH WEDNESDAY AT 6:00 PM ALRIGHT.
BUT THAT WAS IN THE, IN THE RECORD OF THE LAST MEETING AND SOME DISCUSSION AROUND THAT.
NOT TO SAY THAT THAT WON'T CHANGE.
WE KNOW WE GOTTA WORK AROUND EVERYBODY ELSE'S SCHEDULES AND, AND, AND GET THIS TO WORK WITH EVERYONE.
SO DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER? MOTION TO ADJOURN.
SO WE HAD A MOTION TO ADJOURN BY MR. ZALEN AND A SECOND BY MR. APPLETON.
MR. APPLETON, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE A UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN.